To Christians: If someone goes to the "Lake of Fire" at the end, will they be destroyed and no longer exist?
I did a big study on this and I concluded that if one had not eaten from the "Tree of Life", they would cease to exist when cast into the "Lake of Fire". I am not a Jehovah's Witness or Seventh Day Adventist. I go to a non denominational church and we looked closely at this. There are many words like perish and destroyed that would seem to mean cease to exist. The Greek word is "Apollumi" which means to "Destroy Completely". It certainly would be a permanent condition and thus qualify as "Eternal Punishment". What do you guys think?
- Anonymous1 month agoFavourite answer
Scripture calls the lake of fire "the second death."
Greek thanatos. It appears 119 times in KJV scripture, 117 of them translated as death. 2 as deadly.
Matthew 15:4 KJV — For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Death there is thanatos.
Its death of the spirit after judgment. Total annihilation.
Revelation 21:8 KJV — But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 2:11 KJV — He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Scripture teaches either eternal life or eternal death, not eternal conscious torment. God is not a monster.
- Rolando C ILv 61 month ago
Yes the punishment is eternal death. The wicked person goes back to non-existence. That's what Jehovah told Adam when he sinned
You were made from dust and to dust you will return. Gen.3:19
- 1 month ago
It's not the flesh that will be going into the lake of fire, it's the spirit of the man, the spirit of the man cannot die because it's made in the image of God, if your thinking the spirit can die then your saying God can die which is impossible, the spirit can only be held captive somewhere after the physical death, the holding place is either the grave or hell in some people's mind, although no one that die's physically is actually dead, only the body is dead, the spirit with the awareness of who you are will still be living, along with the thoughts and emotions it produces, all those that are in Jesus will never see hell or the place of torment until judgement day, these will go straight to heaven, it's only after judgement day that the lake of fire comes in to play, it's going to be a place of EXTREME torment that will last forever, the decision was made long ago by God whom had prepared it for the devil and his fallen angels, following the devil will only cause you to go there with him which is more the reason to believe in Jesus and what He taught, to be saved from this everlasting punishment, God doesn't need a physical body to cause suffering beyond our comprehension, just as it's not entered the mind of men the things God has prepared for them that love Him, the things He's prepared for those that hate Him are not things you would wish on anyone, the bible deals with death and life in two different ways, sins that cause physical death and sins that cause eternal death, both of which are a form of suffering, the death experience is only that which God at that time turns His back so to speak, which is why Jesus cried out to Him at the point of His own death, He felt forsaken, something all people will feel at the point of death but something not to fear when faced with it, the sting of death has no power over a believer that believes God will raise him from the dead, to everyone else that don't believe, there can be nothing but uncertainty and fear because of the unknown but eternal death is no more than God turning His back on you forever
- TeeMLv 71 month ago
Jesus said, 'Eternal life is given only to the faithful'.
Those without faith perish or as you pointed out 'destroyed completely'
(John 3:16) 16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed [G622] but have everlasting life.
G622 ἀπόλλυμι apollumi;
From G575 and same as G3639; to destroy, destroy utterly:
From G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully
Death is the opposite of life.
(Ecclesiastes 9:4) 4 There is hope for whoever is among the living, because a live dog is better off than a dead lion.
(Ecclesiastes 9:5) 5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all,. . .
(Ecclesiastes 9:6) 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, . . .
(Ecclesiastes 9:10) . . .for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave [Sheol], where you are going.
(Psalm 146:4) 4 His spirit [or breath] goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
Many misquote Eccl 12:7, but this verse is the reverse order of
Genesis 2:7 And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person.
If Jehovah blows in the breath of life a person becomes alive.
When this breath of life returns to God, then the person dies.
Notice how these 2 translations translate Eccl 12:7
–NAB "the life breath returns to God who gave it"
-NET "the life’s breath returns to God who gave it"
Notice these scholars' comments:
New American Bible (published by P. J. Kenedy & Sons, New York, 1970), “When ‘spirit’ is used in contrast with ‘flesh,’ . . . the aim is not to distinguish a material from an immaterial part of man.”
Interpreter’s Bible: “Koheleth (the writer of Ecclesiastes) does not mean that man’s personality continues to exist.”
What was Adam's punishment for sin?
(Genesis 3:19) "For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
If a person tortures people, we say they are practicing Satanism and not Godliness.
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- Anonymous1 month ago
Whenever I have questions about scripture, I pray about it.
In the case of death, the Lord said to me "There are as many kinds of death as there are kinds of life."
And I know that because God is - above all - perfectly JUST in His judgments, without Jesus paying the price for their crimes, everyone will get EXACTLY what they deserve... no more and no less.
No one in hell is complaining they shouldn't be there.
The lake of eternal fire is eternal.... the second death. I don't know if 'second death' means 'ceases to exist'. The word for 'death' is a state of being; apart from God.
- BJLv 71 month ago
Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15
Is this the hellfire Christendom speaks about? No, for in the preceding verse, we read: Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:14
If hell is cast into the lake of fire, the lake cannot itself be hellfire.
Moreover, death is not something concrete that can be picked up and hurled somewhere.
So the lake of fire must be symbolic. Of what?
The Bible says: This is the second death. When death an Hades are hurled into the lake of fire, they die,” cease to exist.
Similarly, rebellious humans who end up there die, or cease to exist. This, though, is the second death, without hope of a resurrection.
- PaulLv 71 month ago
Human beings are created with a temporary physical/biological nature, and an eternal spiritual/supernatural nature. We live you our physical life on Earth, and then enter into the eternal destiny we have chosen for ourselves - eternal perfect happiness in Heaven, or eternal agony in Hell.
- Forrest ToneyLv 71 month ago
Eternal damnation or Life .
- yesmarLv 71 month ago
Whatever the reality of those who totally reject life offered by God, yes, it will be permanent. There is no literal “lake of fire”, it is symbolism.Source(s): Jesus follower
- John SLv 71 month ago
No disrespect to the research that your local congregation conducted, but that has not been the traditional interpretation for the past 2,000 years of Christianity. So the conclusion that your group came to is in conflict with most (or nearly all) Theologians, Christians, and Biblical scholars throughout history.
No offense, but from a purely logical standpoint - which do you think is MORE LIKELY
- that your congregation's new and novel conclusion is correct and nearly 100% of ALL Christians throughout time have been wrong on this.
- that your congregation, maybe influenced by 1 or 2 outspoken and persuasive individuals, came to a novel and... errr... 'wrong' interpretation on this 1 subject?
The consistent and unwavering interpretation for nearly ALL Christians, throughout time has been THIS:
That God created souls to be eternal - he doesn't make mistakes. He also doesn't violate the core 'nature' (key principle, purpose, or 'essence' of a thing) by destroying that which is designed (by God) to be eternal. i.e. the soul.
For God to force an eternal soul to cease to exist, which would be a violation of its 'nature' is an infinite evil or at the very least, a violation of God's own sovereign plan. He would thus be acting inconsistent (created an eternal soul, only to later destroy it)
I think you're group is playing with the word 'eternal' to mean 'permanent' - and thus ADDING death to be equivalent to what is traditionally meant by eternal.
One aspect of eternity is a sorta permanence, but you can not simply say that 'death' is eternal.
For 1 reason - Death is not a 'thing' which can possess eternity. Death is a lack of a thing - in this case, a LACK of life. It is the absence of life. LIFE is the positive state while death is its negation (opposite, or lack there of). You can HAVE eternal life, but you can not 'have' eternal death in the same way. Because death is a lacking of life - God can ALWAYS restore it (restore physical life or spiritual life) and thus it would seem like if God can end a soul - he could still restore it, at a later state.
The only way you could avoid God violating his own design would be to assume that God creates SOME people with eternal souls and others with perishable souls. Like a 2-class system. And we don't know which is which, while here on Earth.
This is too much like the Calvinistic or "once saved always saved" view of Salvation where there are winners and losers - True Christians and fake ones. Those WITH eternal souls and those without. Otherwise, you risk making God someone who violates his own plan/design and destroys eternal souls - which to me seems like an evil act, which God can't do - else he is NOT God.