When you look at trees, flowers, birds, ocean waves,& stars in the sky, can you honestly say you know for sure that there is no possible God?
What happened before the Big Bang? The anthropic principle states that the values of gravity, atomic forces, and earth's magnetic field were fine tuned.
Mathematicians- What is the Probability of a Single Protein Forming by Chance?
Just food for thought, not shoving any opinions in anyone's face. What you think?
- Keith ALv 62 months ago
An interesting problem.
Recall that the correct form is that we cannot prove WHETHER God exists. (Is that the Muslim (g)od, the Christian (g)od, or the Hebrew (g)od? Are they one and the same?)
Consider the aphorism "From nothing comes nothing." It applies throughout this world (universe), even to its origin. As the scots poet put it, "But wha was it lichted thon farawa fuse ..." (in "Voices of our Kind").
Why should such principles necessarily apply outside our universe of 3+1 dimensions?
Recall the response to Moses, asking who it was speaking to him: "I am that I am".
... "And whom shall I say has sent me?"
... " .. I am has sent you".
As to the probability of a single protein forming by chance, with infinite extent of space, and time, it is hardly likely not to. (Recall that God made time, not just space.)
- robertoLv 62 months ago
forget honest;y and the left in the same sentence,
they are oil and water
start with particles that compose the elements,all ( so far) 115 or them,no matter they are in our labs,or a billion light years away,,they act according to rules,,aka,they act the same way, they must be either capable of coordination,or they are governed by some thing or some one,else,some/thing/one with vast creative and mangerial strength,and intellect, which is it boys??
- 2 months ago
What anyone chooses to believe in is up to them, just don't confuse belief with reality.
- Jeffrey KLv 62 months ago
Nobody can prove God or disprove God. If an atheist or religious person says otherwise, he is not being honest.
If the physical constants were different, humans couldn't exist but some other kind of your intelligent life would have evolved. We might have been living gas clouds floating in space.
Proteins forming by random chance is virtually impossible. But they didn't appear like that. They evolved from simpler molecules, just like animals evolved from simpler animals.
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- ANDRE LLv 72 months ago
"Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn't understand [and now we do understand.] If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem." Neil deGrasse Tyson
-If the Universe needs a creator, why doesn't god?
If god doesn't need a creator, why does the Universe ?-
- CliveLv 72 months ago
Clearly you don't understand the anthropic principle or probability. Look, of course things are fine-tuned for life or we wouldn't be here to talk about it. The fact that they are says absolutely nothing about why things are this way. It could have been a complete accident and probably was. So can we please shut up with this "it seems so improbable so it must have been god" argument.
- Ronald 7Lv 72 months ago
Have you ever considered Nature ?
That is another way to look at it
Does a Sperm from a Man not Fertilise a woman's Ovaries?
Does God kill ?
- 2 months ago
Can you conclusively PROVE that there is a God, any God?
- ANDYLv 52 months ago
Days ago I was reading a science book. There was a paragraph that says something like this: It's as though God created the universe and then let things go their way.
- AmyLv 72 months ago
What the Anthropic Principle actually says is that the physical constants can only be measured by sentient minds in those universes where their values allow sentient life to exist.
What is the probability of a single protein forming by chance? Pretty small, it took billions of years of atoms bumping into each other randomly for them to finally make a self-replicating RNA molecule, and then probably a while after that before RNAs started making proteins.
Self-replication is the key advancement. Once a molecule exists that makes copies of itself, you don't have to wait billions of years again for another of that molecule to exist.
As for the existence of pretty things proving God - they certainly don't prove that God spoke from a burning bush, impregnated a virgin with an incarnation of himself, and murdered Job's family to prove a point to a talking snake.
We have very good scientific proof of how trees, flowers, and birds evolved from single-celled ancestors. We know how gravity creates ocean waves and stars. We don't need to trace them all the way to the Big Bang to know that they weren't created 6,000 years ago over the course of a week.
If there is a sentient Creator, they've set the physical parameters of the universe and some initial conditions, and then let the program run without interference. Certainly without any moral purpose or judgement of the creations.