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Jehovah's Witnesses And Other Christians: Didn't Paul Instruct An Unrepentant Sinner To Be Disfellowshipped?

If Jesus did not do it himself, why do we not read of Jesus scolding Paul after Paul instructed the Corinthian congregation to do it? Since Paul was personally chosen by Jesus, why did Paul not just tell the congregation to forgive the person 77 times? Did Paul have more authority than Jesus? Was Paul without sin so that he could direct the congregation to "remove the wicked man from among you?" Did Jesus censure Paul for "judging" according to the 12th verse?

1 Corinthians 5:12, 13: "For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within {the church?} But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. [emphasis in original]. New American Standard Bible

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  • TeeM
    Lv 7
    1 week ago
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    Who said, Jesus didn't reject unrepentant sinners?

    (Matthew 18:15-17) “15 “Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.”

    Here Jesus is telling us to reject those who were once our brothers, as people of the nations and tax collectors.

    (Matthew 23:13-26) “13 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. 14 —— 15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you travel over sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him a subject for Ge·henʹna twice as much so as yourselves. 16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is under obligation.’ 17 Fools and blind ones! Which, in fact, is greater, the gold or the temple that has sanctified the gold? 18 Moreover, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is under obligation.’ 19 Blind ones! Which, in fact, is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? 20 Therefore, whoever swears by the altar is swearing by it and by all the things on it; 21 and whoever swears by the temple is swearing by it and by the One inhabiting it; 22 and whoever swears by heaven is swearing by the throne of God and by the One sitting on it. 23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but you have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was necessary to do, yet not to disregard the other things. 24 Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel! 25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of greediness and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee, cleanse first the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may also become clean.”

    Here Jesus rejects his fellow Jews because of their non-repentant attitude.

    Going back to Paul's statements, he isn't talking about repeatant sinners whom we forgive 77 times, but unrepentant sinners, who continue to sin without asking forgivenness.

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  • 1 week ago

    Paul's letters are not Gospel. Paul was never a disciple or an apostle of Jesus, and all 3 different versions of his Damascus RD. story are fake. He wrongly thought an Apostle was greater than a Prophet which is why he chose to call himself an apostle.

    1. 30 AD. Jesus died.

    2. 35 AD. Paul came along, NO Damascus Rd. story.

    3. 42 AD. Paul began ministry, NO Damascus Rd. story

    4. 47 AD. Luke joins Paul, write epistles with NO Damascus Rd. story.

    5. @64 AD. Paul dies, NO Damascus Rd. story.

    6. @73 AD. Luke writes 'Acts', INVENTS Damascus Rd. story.

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  • BJ
    Lv 7
    1 week ago

    Jesus Christ declared that God’s Word is truth. John 17:17 

    That means that he agreed with what Paul said.

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  • 1 week ago

    Paul took the Corinthian Christians to task for tolerating a man who committed gross sexual indecency which even shocked the pagans. He told them not to fellowship with that man. But in his second letter to them, he rejoiced that the man had repented and was back in fellowship with the congregation (2 Cor 2:5-11) This accords with what Jesus said in Matthew 18:15-17! When a Christian brother sins, and initial attempts to resolve matters fails, two or more must try again. 

    But, "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the congregation. If he refuses to listen even to the congregation, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector." Paul advocated treating that grossly immoral brother exactly as Jesus said - as a pagan or a tax collector - with whom no Jew would have any fellowship or even association.

    Jesus and Paul were in complete agreement on this point. I am not a JW.

    • Brian
      Lv 5
      1 week agoReport

      It appears as if you disagree with Paul.

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  • Gloria
    Lv 7
    1 week ago

    The Catholic church excommunicated Martin Luther, Henry Vlll and others when they go against the RCC.  Excommunicate means the same thing as disfellowshipping.

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  • The JW cult is full of pedophiles.

    They shun their own kids to suicide just for leaving the cult.

    Is that biblical?

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  • 1 week ago

    METHODISTS DO NOT DISFELLOWSHIP...ANYONE CAN SPEAK WITH ONE OF THE PASTORS WHEN THEY HAVE PROBLEMS.

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  • 1 week ago

    Is the practice of disfellowshipping (expelling) found in the Bible?

    Disfellowshipping/Expulsion IS BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURES. In order to maintain God's favor and to be used by Him and to represent Him, the congregation must remain clean. Otherwise, God would expel or cut off the entire congregation. (Re 2:5; 1Co 5:5, 6.)

    Examples and precedents have been set by the apostle Paul when he ordered the expulsion of an incestuous fornicator who had taken his father's wife. (1 Cor. 5:5, 11, 13) He also exercised disfellowshipping authority against Hymenaeus and Alexander. (1 Tim. 1:19, 20)

    The Christian congregation is ADMONISHED BY SCRIPTURE to stop socializing with those who are disorderly and not walking correctly but who are not deemed deserving of complete expulsion. Paul wrote: "Stop associating with him, that he may be ashamed. And yet do not be considering him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother." (2 Thess. 3:6, 11, 13-15).

    The Bible mentions some of the offenses that could merit disfellowshipping from the Christian congregation: fornication, adultery, homosexuality, greed, extortion, thievery, lying, drunkenness, reviling, spiritism, murder, idiolatry, apostasy, and the causing of divisions in the congregation. (1Cor. 5:9-13; 6:9,10; Tit. 3:10,11; Rev. 21:8) As a protection to the congregation, preventing it from becoming harsh and unforgiving, the principle enunciated in the law applies that that two or three witnesses must establish evidence against the accused one; and also for those who have been expelled, they may be received back into the congregation if they demonstrate sincere repentance. (2 Co 2:5-8; (1 Tim. 5:19)

    • http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2009/11/is-practice-of-disfellowshipping.html

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  • Anonymous
    1 week ago

    Not only did Paul instruct the Corinthian congregation to do this, but he even set an example by exercising disfellowshipping authority against Hymenaeus and Alexander. (1 Tim. 1:19, 20)

    Paul also wrote:

     "Stop associating with him, that he may be ashamed. And yet do not be considering him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother." (2 Thess. 3:6, 11, 13-15)

    It is clear that the practice of disfellowshipping / expulsion IS BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURES. In order to maintain God's favor and to be used by Him and to represent Him, the congregation must remain clean. Otherwise, God would expel or cut off the entire congregation. (Rev. 2:5; 1Cor. 5:5, 6.)

    For more, see:

    "Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit"

    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988287

    "Let Us ABHOR What Is Wicked"

    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1978001

    Source(s): www.jw.org
    • God's word will endure forever Isaiah 40:8

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  • 1 week ago

    Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t Christians.  They are Arian heretics. 

    Oh for the love of everything holy, Jesus and Paul we’re not alive at the same time. "Paul" was Saul  and persecuted Christians.  After Jesus' death he knocked Saul off his horse, blinded him and sent him to be trained.  He became Paul, after Jesus' death.

    ExJW 

    SSPX Catholic 

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    • Lioness
      Lv 5
      1 week agoReport

      Paul was Saul of at that time and did not become a follower of Jesus until after Jesus' death.

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