Do you agree with Jehovah's Witnesses to remove unrepentant sinners from the congregation?
- 1 month ago
I agree with the statement, but strongly disagree with the JW over what constitutes sin. Sin is the breaking of Torah, and love is the fulfillment of Torah. JWs add an enormous amount to what God said, which is a very serious sin. I know a man who's mother was raped when he was a child. The mother screamed at the top of her lungs for help, but there was nobody anywhere near her. As a result, the JW's kicked her out of the church for not screaming loud enough and, therefore, welcoming the attack, and her sons were threatened with removal and damnation if they continued to speak to their mother, even though they lived in her home and were dependent on her. Of course this tore the family apart and it was only in his thirties that we was able to tear himself away from that evil cult and build a relationship with his mother. That's NOT Torah.
- Rolando C ILv 61 month ago
We only do what pleases God and not men. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13
- RichardLv 61 month ago
- Anonymous1 month ago
They should start by removing CHILD RAPISTS.
Oh, wait. There wouldn't be any left if they did that.
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- Annsan_In_HimLv 71 month ago
That depends on what they declare are sins that merit disfellowshipping (if not repented of.) Here is the full list of things that would get a baptized JW kicked out:(Wt. Soc. literature references following) :
- Adultery (sexual intercourse with a person other than your marriage mate), includes;
abandoning wife and eloping with another woman - w79 11/15 31-2, w76 p.728
planned adultery to break Scriptural marriage ties - w83 3/15 p.29
remarriage without Scriptural permission - w56 10/1 p.597
polygamy - jv 176
dating a person not legally divorced - ks91-E p.135
- Advocating any kind of martial arts - payf91 p. 142
- Apostasy - w83 4/1 pp.22-4, km 8/80 pp.1, 4. includes;
rebellion against Jehovah’s organization - w63 7/1
promoting sects - it-2 886
- Associating with disfellowshipped people including;
friends - ks91-E p.103, w81 9/15 pp.25-6, w55 10/1 p.607
family - ks91-E p.103
- Blood and blood transfusions - w61 1/15 ks91-E p.95, jv p.183-4
- Boxing professionally - w81 7/1 pp. 30-1
- Drug use - ks91-E p.96
- Drunkenness - ks91-E p.95, it-1 656
- Dishonest business practices - w63 7/1, w86 11/15 14
- Employment violating Christian principles - km 9/76 p.6, km 2/74
working for any religious organization - ks91-E p.95
working in a gambling institution - ks91-E p.136
selling tobacco - ks91-E p.96
contract work at a military establishment
- Extortion - w89 1/15 22; it-1 p.789
- False worship. Includes - attending another church ks91-E p.94
following mourning customs that involve false worship - w85 4/15 p.25
- Fraud - ks91-E p.94, om pp.142-3
- Gambling or related employment - w80 9/1, ks91-E p.136
- Gluttony - w86 5/1
- Greediness, this includes-
gambling ks91-E p.95
extortion ks91-E p.95
greed in relation to bride-price: w98 9/15 p.25
- Homosexuality - w83 6/1 pp.24-6
- Idolatry - w52 3/1 p.138
- Loose conduct - ks91-E pp.93, 96, w83 3/15 p.31, w73 9/15 p.574, it-2 p.264, ks91-E p.93, w83 3/15 p.31, w73 9/15 pp.574-6, w97 9/1 p.14, it-2 p.246. The principle of loose conduct is used to disfellowship for disregard for Jehovah's moral standards. Also disrespect, disregard or even contempt for standards, laws and authority, and as such is used to cover all manner of sins, such as refusal to cease fellowship with disfellowshipped people and showing disrespect to elders
- Lying - ks91-E p.94, g00 2/8 p.21
- Non neutral activities (involvement in politics and the military) - ks91-E p.96
- Military service and non military service including working casual work (certain civilian work has recently been made a conscience matter w96 5/1 p.20) - ks91-E p.96
- Obscene speech - ks91-E p.95
- Parents condoning immorality - w56 p.566
- Political involvement, including holding a political card in Malawi -
- Porneia. “It includes oral and anal sex or mutual masturbation between persons not married to each other, homosexuality, lesbianism, fornication, adultery, incest, and bestiality.” - ks91-E p.93
- Fornication it-1 863
bestiality - w83 6/1 p.25
incestuous marriage - w78 3/15 p.26
artificial insemination and surrogate motherhood – g74 8/8 p.28; g04 9/22
- Reviling - ks91-E p.94, w96 7/15 pp.17-18; it-1 p.991; it-2 p.802
- Sexual abuse of children - g93 10/8 p.10
- Slander - ks91-E p.94, w63 7/1, w89 10/15 p.14, om p.142
- Smoking or selling tobacco - km 2/74, ks91-E p.96
- Spiritism (includes yoga w02 8/1 p.22) - w55 10/1 p.607
- Stealing, thievery - om pp.142-5, ks91-E p.94
- Subversive activity - w95 10/1 p.31
sexually ‘perverse’ practices within marriage, such as oral and anal sex - w83 3/15 p.31
heavy petting and breast fondling - ks91-E p.92
touching of sexual parts - ks91-E p.91
- Violation of secular law if flagrant attitude - w86 10/1 p.31
- Violence, extreme physical abuse, fits of anger - ks91-E p.96, w75 p.287, g01 11/8 p.12
- Willful non support of family, endangerment of mate’s spirituality - w88 11/1 pp.22-3, km 9/73 p.8, ks91-E p.95
- Worldly celebrations such as Christmas - ks91-E p.95
Now, while some of the things listed are clearly matters that would warrant an unrepentant practitioner being put out, the vast majority are the control mechanisms of a tiny group of men in America out to ensure obedience to their views on what is such a serious sin as to warrant being put out and shunned, especially as there is no real help for people struggling with such issues. There's a "Two strikes and you're out" policy. No love or sympathy; just harsh judgmentalism. But the apostle Paul in Titus 1 wrote about those teaching wrong ideas to "rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith" - verse 13. No mention of being put out. Previously, he had said to put one grossly immoral man out for incest, but then that man was welcomed back after he repented (1 Cor ch. 5 then 2 Cor 2:6-8). But look at Kilroy's answer!
- Kilroy JLv 51 month ago
Apostle Paul did. Titus 1:10
- Ding DongLv 61 month ago
No they're idiots. They'll say it doesn't happen but they stop each other dating non JWs, it happened to my Brother. He isn't bad, doesn't do drugs or anything but he was stopped from dating a JW girl just because he isn't one. She wanted to date him too but her Dad and the elders stopped it. He was nearly becoming a JW himself but thought this was ridiculous so stopped associating with them. It was ridiculous, he has a job, a car, doesn't do anything fishy as I said... but he can't date her because he's not a Jehovah's Witness.
- Anonymous1 month ago
God saved sinners. How dare anyone do different
- BrianLv 51 month ago
Oh yes. But then I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
My brothers posted some scriptures that counsels the Christian on what to so.
- Anonymous1 month ago
At one point a man in the Corinthian congregation was practicing immorality and evidently was unrepentant. Paul wrote that this man ‘should be taken away from their midst,’ for he was like a little leaven that could ferment, or corrupt, a whole mass. (1 Cor. 5:1, 2, 6)
But, was he, when once expelled, to be treated as if he were just an average person of the world whom the Christians might meet in their neighborhood or daily life? Note what Paul said.
“I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, not meaning entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world.”
In these words Paul realistically acknowledged that most persons whom we contact in our daily affairs have never known or followed God’s way. They may be fornicators, extortioners or idolaters, so they are not persons whom Christians choose as regular, close associates.
In the next verse Paul contrasts this situation with how Christians should conduct themselves toward one who had been a Christian “brother” but who was expelled from the congregation because of wrongdoing:
“But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company “not associate,” with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.” 1Cor. 5:11-13
The expelled person is not a mere man of the world who has not known God nor pursued a godly way of life. Rather, he has known the way of truth and righteousness, but he has left that way and unrepentantly pursued sin to the point of having to be expelled.
Yes, the Bible commands Christians not to keep company or fellowship with a person who has been expelled from the congregation.
Thus “disfellowshiping” is what Jehovah’s Witnesses appropriately call the expelling and subsequent shunning of such an unrepentant wrongdoer.
Their refusal to fellowship with an expelled person on any spiritual or social level reflects loyalty to God’s standards and obedience to his command at 1 Corinthians 5:11, 13.
But how many churches today comply with God’s clear directions in this regard?Source(s): jw.org