Jew, Gypsies and gays were murdered in the Nazi's holocaust. Why did the Jews get a homeland as a result, but not the Gypsies and gays?
- Anonymous1 month ago
Israel is where the significant ritual sites of Judaism are.
There are no such ritual sites for the Roma and Sinti nor for gays.
- AthenaLv 71 month ago
Also, where do you WANT to move all the gays too anyway ?
- 1 month ago
That's a very important point you bring up. The Jews were murdered in very large numbers and anti semitism had existed in Europe for centuries, the Holocaust was indeed the worse the jews had experienced.
- TinaLv 71 month ago
Dave, you say, of the Roma:"
"On the contrary, Gypsies were treated quite well.The notion that they were exterminated is a common misconception injected into the prescribed narrative of the Holocaust. It helps to elevate the number of deaths that are claimed to have occurred, thereby generating more sympathy that Zionism feeds on."
That, of all the lies you have told about the Holocaust is one of the wickedest.
"research cited by Ian Hancock estimated the death toll to be at about 1.5 million out of an estimated 2 million Roma."
That is half the Romani population of Europe.
In what possible way could you claim that this meant Romanis were 'treated quite well' - because only half of them were murdered and the rest survived?
They were stripped of such rights as they had by the Nuremberg Laws.
They were already being sent to internment camps in 1936.
Later they were sent on to the Ghettos and the concentration camps. And to Auschwitz and Treblinka. At least 19,000 of the 23.000 Roma sent to Auschwitz went to the gas chambers.
In the Balkans and the Soviet Union killing squads murdered them in their own villages.
How dare you say they were 'treated quite well'?
And you compound your wickedness with nonsense. How COULD Romani deaths create sympathy for Zionism?
Dave, in a comment on this answer has produced this example of how he believes the Nazis were trying to 'look after' the Roma, not exterminate them:
An account of the treatment of the Roma includes:
"In all, over 20 000 people were recorded as having been imprisoned in the gypsy camp. Those not recorded included, for example, a group of 1 700 Polish Roma, in which typhus appeared. They were taken away to the gas chambers without being recorded"
Dave says: Take note also, that these "1700" are specifically described as being infected with typhus. With no mention of extermination - or even that they died, it's quite plausible that "gas chambers" meant "disinfectant chambers". This specific mention of 1700 also supports the fact that the Nazis did, in fact, recognize the severity of the epidemics and were trying to prevent its spread. This, then suggests that they were trying to take care of the prisoners, not exterminate them."
Well, of course the Roma wouldn't have been infected with typhus in the first place if they hadn't been taken prisoner, ill treated, starved and kept in filthy conditions, so *not* doing that would have been the best way to take care of them, but why has Dave decided that 'gas chambers' could plausibly mean 'disinfectant chambers'? If simple disinfection had been the aim, there was no need to take the prisoners anywhere - just their clothes.
And wherever they were taken it's quite clear that they never came back.
They were not recorded. They weren't in the camp. They arrived, but didn't go anywhere.
Dave says there is "no mention of extermination - or even if they died" - surely that's not necessary - "they were taken to the gas chambers" is enough. You really don't need to add "where they were murdered" do you?
But thus he persuades himself that the Roma were 'well treated."
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- 1 month ago
On the contrary, Gypsies were treated quite well.
The notion that they were exterminated is a common misconception injected into the prescribed narrative of the Holocaust. It helps to elevate the number of deaths that are claimed to have occurred, thereby generating more sympathy that Zionism feeds on.
As to the "homeland" part of the question, it wasn't a "homeland" that the Zionists' aspirations were aimed at. Zionism is a political movement and its goal was to establish a political state in Palestine. The "homeland" bit was the exploitation of Jewish persecution and a sales pitch that provided more support than "political state" would have.
During the two years preceding the Balfour Declaration, the Zionist-controlled media was full of articles about Jews being persecuted and threatened with extermination in almost every country in Eastern Europe. They begged for money and support.
Suddenly, the idea for a "homeland for the Jews" comes along and is universally supported. Most importantly, it was supported by Britain who saw the Middle East as a prized opportunity for strategic positioning.
Palestine was promised to the Arabs two years before it was given to the Zionists. But Britain reneged on the deal, which explains why the Zionists had the rights to Palestine for 30 years before they declared Israel an independent state, and also why the Jews rotted away in the Nazi prison camps when they could have otherwise been saved - to allow a mass immigration to Palestine would have been a spit-in-the-face to the Arabs, who would have started the Israeli-Palestinian conflict long before it did.
It should be noted that in 1947 the United Nations allowed a specific area for the Zionists to claim as their Jewish "homeland". Since then, Israel has embarked on the Jewish version of "Lebensraum" - and has attacked and murdered Palestinians for the sole purpose of expanding their living space. Today, what's left of Palestine are scattered blips on the map.
Something to think about.
- Elaine MLv 71 month ago
Gypsies refuse to have one homeland, they're nomads.
Gays are people in society, not a religious or cultural group.
- Glenn SLv 71 month ago
Because God promised the Jewish people that he would return their homeland in the future.....And nearly 2000 years later he kept his promise. Nothing like that has ever happened in world history before and is strong evidence that the bible is true.
- MarliLv 71 month ago
The Gypsies were - and a number are still - "roamers". They don't care to settle in one place long. Romania may be as close to an actual ancestral "homeland" as they have or want.
Gays have enclaves in many cities (Toronto has a "Gay Village" downtown and I'm sure Berlin, Dresden, Heidelberg and Dusseldorf do too, but they live anywhere "straights" do - and why shouldn't they? Sexual orientation is not subscribed by race, colour or creed.
- bluebellbkkLv 71 month ago
- The TaxpayerLv 71 month ago
Israel has been around for 1000's of years. Unlike Gypsieland and Gaytopia...that never existed.