Ozzie Klunk asked in Society & CultureRoyalty · 10 months ago

If Prince Andrew had a son, would not the title Duke of York pass to him? Or is that dukedom always reserved for the monarch's second son?

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  • Rico
    Lv 5
    10 months ago

    York has always been granted as an hereditary title, it’s only in the first creation that Dukes of York have been the son of the preceding duke. 

    From the second creation on (created by Edward IV for his son Richard of Shrewsbury) there has never been an heir to the dukedom. The 3rd, 4th and 5th creations were given to their respective first holders after their father had already become king.

    The 6th creation was given to Prince George of Wales (eventually becoming George V) while still a grandson of a monarch, after the death of his brother.  Who on turn gave it to his second born son, ('Bertie' aka George IV) in 1920. 

    If 'Bertie' had never become king and had a son, then the title would not have merged with the crown at Edward VIII's abdication. 

    The Letters Patent issued in 1986 giving the title to Andrew (with the same subsidiaries as his grandfather held), contain the usual inheritance clause, '...unto him and the heirs male of his body lawfully begotten and to be begotten.  Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he and his heirs male aforesaid and every of them successively...'

  • Apparently all Dukedoms other than Lancaster, Cornwall and Rothesay are hereditary. Having said that, I'm not sure how Prince Edward is expecting to inherit the Dukedom of Edinburgh. I think it is a case that when it comes to royal matters, rules are mutable.

  • Clo
    Lv 7
    10 months ago

    It would have been a title inherited by a son. Eventually, it would be the only title inherited by Andrew' descendants. The title of Prince and Royal Highness would have also been inherited by a son of Andrew, but Andrew's grandson would have only inherited the dukedom, following Letters Patent of George V.

    https://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/prince_hi...

    Only a child and a grandchild of the monarch, along with the eldest child of the Prince of Wales automatically bears the titles and styles of a royal prince/princess:

    "It is declared by the Letters Patent that the children of any Sovereign of the United Kingdom and the children of the sons of any such Sovereign and the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall have and at all times hold and enjoy the style, title or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names or with their other titles of honour; that save as aforesaid the titles of Royal Highness, Highness or Serene Highness, and the titular dignity of Prince and Princess shall cease except those titles already granted and remaining unrevoked; and that the grandchildren of the sons of any such Sovereign in the direct male line (save only the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales) shall have the style and title enjoyed by the children of Dukes."

    A monarch can add more Letters Patents to say who and who can inherit royal status, as Elizabeth did for William's children, but William's son will be King.

  • 10 months ago

    In general, Dukedoms are awarded (perhaps most often on marriage as with William and Harry most recently) depending on which is vacant.     I'd have to look up whether a son would automatically inherit the title on the death of his father.  As far as I know, the title Duke of York is not specifically reserved for a second son, but this may be the case.  On Andrew's death, that title would, presumably become vacant as he has no son (yet?!).

    https://www.chinet.com/~laura/html/titles03.html

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  • Anonymous
    10 months ago

    It would be inheritable by a son as it was in the original creation of the title. However by a strange quirk of fate previous holders since then have either had no male heir or have become king (George V, George VI) at which point the title merged with the crown and became extinct.

  • 10 months ago

    It would pass to his son and onwards through the male line. It only reverts to the monarch's gift when the line is extinguished or the Duke becomes monarch.

  • Anonymous
    10 months ago

    Duke of York is a title of nobility in the Peerage of the United Kingdom. Since the 15th century, it has, when granted, usually been given to the second son of English (later British) monarchs. The equivalent title in the Scottish peerage was Duke of Albany.

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