how do you feel about the relaxed restrictions of Romania and Bulgarian already arriving in the UK?
The UK cannot cope with anymore immigration, these people came to the on the 1st so they were clearly eger to come but we were told none would hardly come.. are the British people being lied to again?
- PatrickLv 57 years agoFavourite answer
First and foremost, we should realise that there is going to be a significant rise in the numbers coming. Of course it will not all be on day one, it will be a more gradual thing, as those that come in get accommodations sorted and then either send for their families or simply carry on in the way that those who came around 4 or 5 years ago did.
The rules were that you had to be skilled or self employed. We now have thousands and it is thousands of Romanian Taxi Drivers in the UK, all of whom answered adds placed in their home City's offering potential earnings of over £1000 per week. The lived (until now) in virtual communes paying a lot of money to their sponsor for rent, the car, etc. Now having been here for a few years already, their names are going on housing lists, and those back at home will soon enough be able to come over.
There are already 80,000 Romanians in London, this is before Jan 01. But there is hardly a Town of any size in the UK that has not got an influx of Eastern Europeans already. Maybe not huge numbers in isolation, but I bet the total in the UK pre Jan 01 was significant, and this will grow.
One of my Sons is a Painter Decorator, he always charges a set amount for work so that he can clear £80 per day after Tax and NI, he has lost several contracts to Romanian Painter Decorators who work in large groups, for less money, and of course they get the job done quicker. Well done, however they live in groups of 7 or 8 in a 3 or 4 bed house, and pay around £100 per week each to the landlord who oddly enough is also the owner of painting company that gives them the sub contracted work.
What is left to these people would not pay the rent on my Sons house, it would not feed or cloth his Daughter, and would not put fuel in the Van, but they are sending money home where it is worth vastly more to their loved ones. (I am not critical of them for doing this, nor for that matter is my Son), but, my son may soon go out of business, because he cannot compete, and he has to pay UK prices for everything. So he cannot work for less. That is where the net effect is going to be felt.
When a Romanian, or Bulgarian comes and gets into work, they will eventually get somewhere to live, and even if they are paying the rent privately, if they have children at home, and many do, they will be claiming child benefit for them, they will get tax credits and access to all the allowances that we get. They cannot have paid in enough to the system to cover very long and so will become a net benefactor of a system that they have paid into, but nowhere near enough.
We have to look at things practically, and not through rose tinted glasses, we are a generous nation and I am proud of that, but we are not attending to the needs of those that are here already, and until we have got that sorted out, then I am sorry but we need to apply come controls on the numbers that can come. So long as we are in the EU, we simply cannot.
Our cost of living is high, it is no good saying that those who come are doing the jobs that our Citizens will not do, (of course we do have plenty that are lazy and feckless), but this is a minority, people like my Son cannot afford a deposit on a house, they cannot get a Council house, so they have to rent privately, where we live you are lucky to get a 2 bed house at less than £650 a Month, add to that the heating costs, Council tax et al, and the bill is upwards of £1000 per Month. That leaves £150 a Week to eat, clothe and all the other things we need.
Flooding the market with people who will work for less (in the short term) may well suit businesses who are desperate to keep within the margins or make profits for shareholders, but it will not work in the long term.
Finally, our net inward migration has been level at about 500,000 per year for the last 6 years, that is 3 Million people or approximately 4% of the population, but and this is crucial, over 7 Million children have been born to those who have come in over the past 10 years. That is 7 million extra school places when we already have a shortage, that is 7 million sets of child allowance, medical needs, etc etc. We cannot sustain it, and now, we have absolutely no way of stopping anyone from any EU member state from coming, we simply cannot say no. It is against the ECHR and we cannot disobey the ECHR requirements so long as we are in the EU, it is an absolute pre condition to obey in full, all conditions of the European Convention on Human Rights. No re wording, no vetoing parts, no changes at all, not even in the punctuation.
No matter what Cameron achieves or says he has/will achieve, he cannot change that particular fact.
He will not give you a vote on the EU, until or unless he feels confident that he has convinced the British Public that he has achieved a real change in the rules, but he cannot so just bare that in mind. If you suddenly feel that staying in the EU is now OK because the rules have changed, many will have, but not the main one.
- Anonymous7 years ago
And how many Romanians and Bulgarians have flocked to overwhelm the UK? According to the Independent, there were more camera crews at the airport than new immigrants, yesterday.
According to the Mail, all flights from Bucharest and Sofia were fully booked for weeks to come, even though Easyjet seemed to have plenty available.
It's a classic case of scapegoating by the far right and racist political parties and their friends in the gutter press.
How do I feel about it? I don't think most of us will notice any difference, the massive influx isn't happening.
- Anonymous7 years ago
Actually there is no evidence that the alleged large numbers of people from Romania and Bulgaria are traveling to the UK. In fact all the evidence shows that the number of people travelling to the UK is the same or possibly slightly lower than last year.
Anyone who arrived on 1st January without a job is stuck because they cannot claim benefits for the next three months so would have to fund their own accommodation and bills.
- R 99Lv 77 years ago
It's absolutely scandalous. Yes, the politicians have lied through their collective teeth again, as usual. Just wait and see the results of this one. Of course, by the time that the politicians are faced with such overwhelming evidence that they can no longer deny it or lie their way out of it, we will get the usual pathetic excuses, the empty promises that 'lessons will be learned', etc. More rubbish, of course.
You will notice that the politicians are all too well aware of how unpopular this latest move was with the public, yet they didn't lift a finger to do a thing to stop it. What does that tell us?. Well, it should tell us that all this forced migration is part of a larger agenda. That this is in fact a deliberate policy (although officially denied) to undermine the UK economy, national identity, viability, and the living standards of the population. It is precisely that and is another step in the centralisation of power that the global elite intend to bring about.
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- Anonymous7 years ago
I feel very annoyed, I actually feel more than that but I can't swear on here! The only way to stop this type of thing happening is to vote UKIP, leave the EU and regain control of our borders. At the moment if ten million people from within the EU wish to come here in a week, legally the UK can't stop them, it's pathetic. It's about time there was a backlash, at the ballot box if nowhere else.
- StevenLv 77 years ago
Let's just see how many ACTUALLY arrive shall we?
Because, yesterday 2 self servings MPs made arses if themselves as only 2 ( two) cou,d be found at Heathrow airport!!
So, lets see if the numbers live up to the impressive hype, in the meantime the UK is changing the law to make it EASIER fir national papers to libel YOU and too make it harder for YOU to get any redress, funny how the Daily Lie hasn't mentioned this!!
- cameronissimLv 67 years ago
I hope the four nations people realize its time for a mass downing off tools
and we shut this country down till all these people are booted out and the EU treaty is tore up.
Mps who say these people are self employed forget this means they'll undercut British self
employed workers whose wages will go down while EU workers stander of living goes up.
WE NEVER EVEN GOT AN EU VOTE so lets shut this country down people.
- JohnLv 77 years ago
Does not matter what anybody feels about it nothing can be done while the UK
is a member of the EU
- Anonymous7 years ago
but is it all a panic created by the press?