Did you know Obama's health care plan would FORCE nurses to assist in abortions?
Not only that, but all illegal immigrants would be covered under the plan. An illegal immigrant could get moved AHEAD of you even though you pay taxes and they don't.
Also, the death panel thing that Sarah Palin mentioned is REAL. No, the bill doesn't specifically mention death panels, but it is IMPLIED in the language. It would lead to death panels where people over the age of 59 will be denied care and they will DIE. It is CHILLING.
I heard Obama is dropping it though so it looks like a victory for America and democracy... for the moment.
Still, do you think we are very close to the Democrats FORCING nurses to assist in abortions?
Edit: So because my sources come from Fox News that automatically mean they can't POSSIBLY be right?
People need to wake up and not be sheep.
- Anonymous1 decade agoFavourite answer
Obama, Pelosi, and the liberals have found that intelligent people can't be fooled by child psychology like stupid liberals can. Global Warming to Climate Change, Illegal Aliens to Undocumented Immigrants, War on Terror to Man Made Disaster (or some BS), now Public Option to Coop. Isn't it insulting to have these liberals look down their collective noses and tell us we're stupid, we just don't understand They think because their followers fall for these simple word games the majority will swallow it as well.
- mommanukeLv 71 decade ago
The bill also doesn't specifically say that they can't take you out and shoot you if you get sick. Think they will? Is that "implied", too?
Illegal immigrants are covered now. Nothing in the bill would change that. Would you rather they die in the streets? Or do you plan to put a gunshot victim on a plane and send them back to Mexico for medical care?
Exactly where in the bill does it force nurses to perform abortions? Come on, let's hear the section number.
The problem is that your sources ONLY come from Fox News. There are a lot of other sources out there that are not partisan and will give you real information.
I suggest instead of your reading HR3200, only one of 5 currently under consideration right now, you read your insurance policy. If that doesn't scare you, nothing will!
- Mr. TacoLv 71 decade ago
Sheep? You're as much as a sheep for believing this baloney. None of this is "implied" in the bill. If it were, then Palin and yourself could point to specific passages and pages that do the implying. No one has done any such thing. Look, I'm skeptical about the whole thing. But making crap up isn't a good way to convince people like myself to turn against Obama. I need PROOF.
Besides, let's say, just for the sake of argument, that there were "death panels" in the bill. Guess what? In the CURRENT system there are bureaucrats within the health care companies that decide who "lives and dies." Meanwhile, 48 million people don't have health insurance at all. So health care reform is a necessity. If people like yourself spent less time making up lies about the bill and started throwing us some SOLUTIONS to REAL problems in our current health care system, then maybe Obama and Congress could actually work at compromising and coming up with a bill that works. Instead, you guys choose to use scare tactics that will simply kill all health care reform, leaving us with a broken system where CEOs trying to make a profit decide whether you live or die. Guess what? They make more money if they let you die.
- The PatriotLv 71 decade ago
It does not force nurses to assist in abortions and does not cover illegal immigrants.
You are right though about the death panel which exists right now. It is made up of insurance company executives who make more money each time they refuse a claim.
I am always amazed how many Americans seem not to be aware about the issues with healthcare relying on FOX and other sources to spread misinformation about the healthcare system of the USA and those abroad.
First of all, Obama wants to make insurance more available to all and change the system so that it is cheaper. He also wants change so that the insurance companies find it harder to get out of paying for treatment. The system he is proposing looks similar to that which works in Holland and Switzerland where private companies are involved in providing insurance.
Second, of course universal health-cover sucks. That is why we in Western Europe have it. We think, hmm, our healthcare system sucks. I know, lets keep it. I guess that is the same with Japan and Canada as well.
Third, Obama campaigned on reforming the healthcare system. He said he wanted to make insurance more available and he was elected by the American people to do this.
FACT - the US has higher death rates for kids both for kids aged under one and those under five than western European countries with universal health coverage.
FACT - American insurance companies push up prices and work to stop paying out claims on those they cover.
FACT - the USA spends more on healthcare PER PERSON than any other nation on the planet.
That means that a dead American four year old would have had a better chance of life if they were born in Canada, France, Cuba, Germany, Japan etc, all of which have universal health coverage.
Last of all if you do not like the policies that Obama was elected to bring in, he can always be voted out of office in 2012.Source(s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTalCKyW-g http://www.annals.org/cgi/reprint/148/4/313.pdf http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_200... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI http://www.unicef.org/sowc08/docs/sowc08_table_U5M... http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/01/health... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhpUG4apgrE
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- 1 decade ago
Not sure from what Health Reform Proposal you got your infos, but it sure does not look like the real ones that i saw.
The death panel, it is designed to have the patient (insured) to make the decision when to pull the plug and NOT the Insurance co. nor the Doctor, but you THE INSURED.
Abortion will only be allowed if the person is a victim of incest, raped, etc...and NOT because you got drunk one night and had a one night stand, or an "ooops" pregnancy with your boyfriend and decided that you're not ready yet....and NURSES are nurses...they will do what the doctor's asked them to do. FYI Nurses and Doctors are the most rational people in the planet, they're educated and open minded.
If the illegal immigrant has an emergent (life threatening) health problem, and you have a migraine issue, who should the Doctor's see first?
You have the option to keep your private insurance, on top of the "public option".....It is NOT All Government. It is not socialized medicine. Please get your FACTS STRAIGHT.Source(s): THE TRUTH
- SageandscholarLv 71 decade ago
It is because you cannot produce a single reputable link and because each of the lies above has been thoroughly debunked by non partisan media organisations that you can't possibly be right.
As for something being IMPLIED in a bill - oh please. Now the legislation doesn't need to actually say something for you guys to attack it?
The section in question is 100% clear. It makes end of life counselling AVAILABLE - not compulsory and not the only option.
- 1 decade ago
> Congressional Democrats said they will add the "freedom of choice act" as an amendment to Obama's health care plan. It makes abortion the ONLY thing 100% of medical practitioners MUST offer. "If your working in an abortion clinic" isn't relevant since ALL facilities MUST do abortions as a matter of LAW under the Democrats' plan.
> HR 3200 REQUIRES all practitioners to treat illegal immigrants but refuses to PAY them for it.
> HR 3200 DOES establish a bureaucracy that CONTROLS what sorts of care will be LEGAL and ILLEGAL and under what circumstances. If you believe they will rule-out NOTHING you are profoundly retarded and should never EVER vote again as long as you live. Otherwise, you KNOW certain people will DIE due to their rules. It's inevitable.
You can tell Justin's a Democrat. He believes babies are PROPERTY.
In fact, NOTHING President Obama told CBS's Katie Couric about "his plan" can be found in ANY bill. Let's not forget already that just a few weeks ago he expressly demanded HR 3200 be passed. It's dishonest to say "that isn't his plan" since it's the ONLY bill he ever said he wanted on his desk.
NO provision of HR 3200 had originally been backed by Republicans. They were denied by House rules from participating IN ANY WAY in the bill's creation.
NOTHING any Democrat Congress has EVER written in ANY bill in your lifetime has involved anything voluntary and HR 3200 is no exception. EVERYTHING they write is all about FORCE.
So far, I'm still waiting for ONE person who supports the Democrats on this to claim they read the bill. So far, I'm still waiting for ONE elected Democrat to claim they've seen it. Honestly, I have yet to learn of ONE "debunker of Republican lies" who has even CLAIMED to have seen ANY bill at all.
100% of government programs in ANY sector of ANY economy in ANY location on this planet in all of time ALWAYS ration and denies service. There has literally NEVER been an exception. Interestingly, this is WHY Democrats assume it won't happen next time.
Section 123 of HR 3200 plainly establishes a bureaucracy to approve/disapprove care options. NO insurance company has the power to BAN anything. If they don't pay, you still don't go to JAIL for trying to get it. we aren't talking about payment in this section, we're talking about the procedures being LEGAL TO DO.
You nominally have the option to keep your private insurance, on top of the "public option"..... except the bill FORBIDS about 80% of private companies EVER writing another policy for ANYONE and allows the remaining companies to write ONLY for government employees. Again, the non-retarded among you realize this means YOUR COMPANY will go out of business and you will then "choose" the public "option" or face criminal penalties. READ THE DAMNED BILL. It's freely available for download.
FACT - the US SHOWS higher death rates for kids both for kids aged under one and those under five than western European countries with universal health coverage because those countries don't COUNT kids under about 6-9 months. Be more specific. Compare mortality for JUST kids aged 5, for instance or ANY other specific age and you see we have less mortality. When you try to compare in early infancy you find other countries numbers are "unavailable."
FACT - ALL government plans worldwide include bureaucracies whose JOB is to prevent care to contain costs.
Canada, France, Cuba, Germany, Japan etc, all have HIGHER mortality from ALL disease-related causes.
Section 1233 is 100% clear. It makes end of life counseling MANDATORY.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
The Death Panel has been debunked. There was no such thing. What is was, was if people who wanted end of life counseling, then they could get it paid for by Medicare. It was strictly voluntary.
I am against forcing nurses and doctors to perform abortions. That should be left up to the doctors, nurses, and medical communities, not the government.
- 1 decade ago
LIES LIES LIES, the only way you would have to assist in an abortion is if you work for an abortion doctor, so that's purely choice.
if a victim comes to the emergency room with a bullet wound THEY SHOULD BE MOVED AHEAD OF YOU. IDIOT
ALL the big OVERLY PRICED insurance companies have end of life counsling AND they deny CHILDREN health care every day.
for profit insurance companies only approve 9% OF ALL HEALTH CARE CLAIMS
OH AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORD OPTION...............
this is not about a public option more than it's about republicans TAKING BIG INSURANCE AND PHARMACEUTICAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.
some of you are down right SIMPLE use your brain
- 1 decade ago
death panels were real but they were disbanded and as far as FORCING? nurses to assist in abortions who cares its a surgery its their job to assist if your a doctor you can say i dont like doing certain things but you CAN NOT not do those things and expect to get to keep your license
- realst1Lv 71 decade ago
You are a liar and this is a rant. Boy, the health industry is really ginning up the propaganda machines, aren't they? They really don't want to lose billions in profits denying care.
Death panel is what the private insurers use to decide whether or not to pay for medical care. A government plan would not be for profit so the chances of you getting care for increase greatly. We can all see who the sheep is here.