Catholics and Jehovahs Witnesses, How Long Could one of God's "Creative Days" Be?
Using the Bible's account of Creation ...For the science of mathematical probability offers striking proof that the Genesis creation account must have come from a source with knowledge of the events. The account lists 10 major stages in this order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an expanse or atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning; (8) sea monsters and flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals; (10) man. Science agrees that these stages occurred in this general order. What are the chances that the writer of Genesis just guessed this order? The same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10 from a box, and drew them in consecutive order. The chances of doing this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800! So, to say the writer just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order without getting the facts from somewhere is not realistic.
Please Remember to account for the Times of the Dinosaurs,and The Great Sea Monsters, and the time for preparing the earth for Man...Proverbs 8: 22-30 has a lot to add to the preparation of the earth.
(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,
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- 1 decade agoBest answer
The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.
The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.
What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?
No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.
How long, then, were the creative days? The wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.
Moses wrote his account in Hebrew, and he wrote it from the perspective of a person standing on the surface of the earth. These two facts, combined with the knowledge that the universe existed before the beginning of the creative periods, or “days,” help to defuse much of the controversy surrounding the creation account. How so?
A careful consideration of the Genesis account reveals that events starting during one “day” continued into one or more of the following days. For example, before the first creative “day” started, light from the already existing sun was somehow prevented from reaching the earth’s surface, possibly by thick clouds. (Job 38:9) During the first “day,” this barrier began to clear, allowing diffused light to penetrate the atmosphere.
On the second “day,” the atmosphere evidently continued to clear, creating a space between the thick clouds above and the ocean below. On the fourth “day,” the atmosphere had gradually cleared to such an extent that the sun and the moon were made to appear “in the expanse of the heavens.” (Genesis 1:14-16) In other words, from the perspective of a person on earth, the sun and moon began to be discernible. These events happened gradually.
The Genesis account also relates that as the atmosphere continued to clear, flying creatures—including insects and membrane-winged creatures—started to appear on the fifth “day.” However, the Bible indicates that during the sixth “day,” God was still in the process of “forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens.”
Clearly, the Bible’s language makes room for the possibility of some major events during each “day,” or creative period, to have occurred gradually rather than instantly, perhaps some of them even lasting into the following creative “days.”
EARTHLY CREATIVE WORKS OF JEHOVAH
Day No. Creative Works Texts
1 Light; division between day and night Ge 1:3-5
2 Expanse, a division between waters
beneath the expanse and waters above it Ge 1:6-8
3 Dry land; vegetation Ge 1:9-13
4 Heavenly luminaries become discernible
from earth Ge 1:14-19
5 Aquatic souls and flying creatures Ge 1:20-23
6 Land animals; man Ge 1:24-31Source(s): www.watchtower.org.com
- Anonymous1 decade ago
My position: Fundamentalist Christian
1) Catholics and Jehovahs Witnesses, How Long Could one of God's "Creative Days" Be?
The best answer for this is: as long as it takes. (Note: answering how long *could* one "creative day" (CD) be).
2) The account lists 10 major stages in this order:
Yet, there is a problem with your "order". Nothing in Genesis indicates that your stage 7 (YS7) was what you claim. There is nothing even remotely resembling "became discernible" in the language found in the bible. The word used
means "do" or "make" (just as "make" is used in English). There is no sense of "revealed" included in this word.
3) Science agrees that these stages occurred in this general order.
Some specific problems with that statement.
a) You generalize YS6 to "land plants", but the biblical verse mentions specifically fruit trees, which are not believed to have made an appearance until *after* animals (particularly insects) had done so.
b) Most scientists would give the following order
3) sun and stars
4) primitive earth with seasons
6) aquatic life
7) primitive land plants
8) insect life (flying creatures) ? (I'm not certain about this placement - maybe swap with the previous?)
9) flowering plants
10) land animals
11) flying animals other than insects
You'll notice that it differs considerably from your own stages in order.
- 4 years ago
First of all, the NWT is NOT the only Bible translation to render John 1:1 in that manner. NUMEROUS Bible translations that have nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses render that scripture in a way that shows that Jesus possess a divine quality, but is NOT the same as Almighty God. For some reason, unthinking individuals have it burnt into their minds that just because the King James Version renders John 1:1 in a way that suggests Jesus is God, then it must be so. These people who accept that are unthinking because they refuse to acknowledge or see that the KJV is a very unreliable, inaccurate Bible translation. In fact, it is a commonly held FACT within the circles of Bible scholars the the translators of the KJV injected their own personal views (or that of King James) into the translation in order to bolster support for teachings such as the "trinity". A classic example of this is how the KJV renders 1 John 5:7,8. The KJV blatantly added words to the scripture to make it seem like there's support for the trinity. The unthinking ones also somehow blind themselves to reading the exact wording of the verse in John 1:1, specifically where it says that Word "was with God". Now if I'm "with" another person in a room, how could that possibly mean that I and that other person are the same person? It couldn't possibly, and the idea of that being true is absurd and defies all logic. The Bible as a whole must be examined in context with who Jesus Christ is. The scriptures clearly show in passages such as Colossians 1:15 and Revelation 3:14 that Jesus Christ came into existence by means of God. In other words, God is the one who created Jesus. Logically therefore, Jesus CANNOT be God.
- FishermanLv 51 decade ago
However, it is the fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible—not the Bible itself—that is at odds with science. The Bible does not say that each creative “day” was 24 hours long; indeed, it includes all these ‘days’ in the much longer “day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven,” showing that not all Biblical ‘days’ contained just 24 hours. (Genesis 2:4) Some could have been many thousands of years in length.
Considering the fact that Creation (Big Bang) occurred some 14 billion years ago, the bible could not refer to a day as being any specific length, it would rather refer to periods of time, some of which would have had to be billions of years.
All these time periods are referred ton in the bible as "a day"Source(s): Bible chronology. www.watchtoer.org
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- fixerkenLv 71 decade ago
Length of Creative Days. The Bible does not specify the length of each of the creative periods. Yet all six of them have ended, it being said with respect to the sixth day (as in the case of each of the preceding five days): “And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day.” (Ge 1:31) However, this statement is not made regarding the seventh day, on which God proceeded to rest, indicating that it continued. (Ge 2:1-3) Also, more than 4,000 years after the seventh day, or God’s rest day, commenced, Paul indicated that it was still in progress. At Hebrews 4:1-11 he referred to the earlier words of David (Ps 95:7, 8, 11) and to Genesis 2:2 and urged: “Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest.” By the apostle’s time, the seventh day had been continuing for thousands of years and had not yet ended. The Thousand Year Reign of Jesus Christ, who is Scripturally identified as “Lord of the sabbath” (Mt 12:8), is evidently part of the great sabbath, God’s rest day. (Re 20:1-6) This would indicate the passing of thousands of years from the commencement of God’s rest day to its end. The week of days set forth at Genesis 1:3 to 2:3, the last of which is a sabbath, seems to parallel the week into which the Israelites divided their time, observing a sabbath on the seventh day thereof, in keeping with the divine will. (Ex 20:8-11) And, since the seventh day has been continuing for thousands of years, it may reasonably be concluded that each of the six creative periods, or days, was at least thousands of years in length. it-1 Creation
In an eariler publication, Paradise Lost to Paradise Restored a creative day could have been 7000 years long, which goe along with the time period of when you see the disgusting thing stand where it ott not, that happen in 1919. This would mean that we are living in the last of the last days, since Jesus told us that that generation would not pass away before these things accured. A mans generation is 70 years & in special mightyness 80 years.
We know that the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ has to be within the 7th creative day.
No one knows the day or hour, only the Father knows, Matt 24:36
- RickySTT, EACLv 51 decade ago
1. Most Catholics nowadays accept Genesis as the spiritual fairy tale ("allegory") that it is, and don't attempt to shoehorn geological history into it. Hence, correspondence between day and age is irrelevant to them. I won't speak for the JW.
2. Science most definitely does *not* agree with the Genesis order. Examples:
- Science has not discerned a beginning. It has discovered a big bang, but is silent on what, if anything, came before that.
- After the BB, the first event was light, not a primitive Earth.
- Stars, also, came long before the Earth. In fact, it was stars that forged the chemical elements out of which Earth is made.
- Finally, 9 billion years after BB, Earth was created.
- Land plants could hardly have appeared before the Sun did.Source(s): Former Catholic school student
- ≈ nohglfLv 71 decade ago
We don't know exactly how long one creative day is but likely thousands of years.
Edit: In response to Colin Down Under:
Although plants were created before the sun, if you notice in the order that light was created before the plants. This light was then used for the process of photosynthesis so that plant life could be sustatined.Source(s): Your description is from the book Life - How did it get here ? By evolution or creation ? pg. 37 (there is a picture on the page with a guy wearing blind fold) To get the probability mentioned .... You choose the events (without being able to choose the same event twice) You first choose 1 of the 10 events (10 possibilities) Then you choose another event (9 possibilities) Then you choose another event (8 since it can't be the other events you chose). From this you multiply all the possibilites at each step in the choosing process like this to get 10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 (or 10! where '!' means factorial) This 10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1 = 3,628,800 which is the total amount of possibilities of placing 10 events in order where no event is repeated. The number of ways to place the events in the correct order is 1. Probability of Event A = Success of A / total outcomes Probability of Event A = 1/3,628,800. Which is the 1 in 3,628,800 chance of getting the events right on the first try. I was curious about the probability. So ....thats how you get it.
- 1 decade ago
Even without knowledge of scientific order, the order listed in Genesis just feels right to most people, especially the people 2000 years ago. If you're telling a creation story, you're gonna gradually introduce signs of life in order of complexity, with ourselves as the standard of most complex
As in, you'll start with the beginning, of course,
Darkness and barren earth next,
Large areas of land (still no living beings, just the conditions)
Plants (semi-living and really more the scenery)
Celestial objects, which people thought were alive somehow back then
Sea monsters & flying animals, who were thought of as the most arcane
Compare any of these two using intuition and what seems more humanly alive comes later in the list.
Why would you put man or animals before areas of dry land?
- 1 decade ago
What would help fo keep in mind, is that we are still in the 7th day & what has passed is about 6000 years of it!
Please keep in mind that just as there are 7 /24 hour periods of time , the length of the 7 day should be equal in the creative days:
(Hebrews 4:3-5) “ 3 For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They shall not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world. 4 For in one place he has said of the SEVENTH (my caps) day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter into my rest.””
--Thus since about 6000 yrs. have passed, and we continue into it , & still can look forth to Jesus' 1000 yrs.
(Revelation 20:1-3) “. . .And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
- ginaLv 61 decade ago
Jehovah created the earth in 6 creative days or 6 creative time periods not literal days.JW