When did the 3 wise men really come to visit Jesus?

Was it after Christ was born? Why are we lead to believe it was Christmas Eve?

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Please don't get discouraged that there are a lot of answers already. I am reading all of them. The question is behalf of my father in law who would love to read all of them as well.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Note: ECCLES.7:1 = "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth."

    See also Proverbs 15:27 = "He that is greedy of gain troubleth his house; but he that hateth gifts shall live."

    CHRISTMAS

    Christmas isn't Jesus's birthdate; it was the birthday of the sun god. Scripture doesn't mention Jesus's birthdate or any christians celebrating His Birthday. The only birthday mentioned besides Pharoah is the heathen king Herod. "Christmas" means "mass of Christ"; the celebration coexisted in Rome before there was any in Jerusalem. The early Roman Church however did establish a pagan festival that (Jer.10) coexisted with Jesus's Birth and that was the birthday of the sun god. (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th ed., article: "Christmas"). The Catholic sources admit that Christmas didn't co-exist with the earliest festivals. Jesus wasn't born Christmas; even scripture makes this evident. "On the night of Jesus's birth, the shepherd's were still keeping watch over their flocks." (Luke 2:8). The rainy season in Ancient Israel began after the Feast of Tabernacles which generally is early October. In November, it would be cool and wet; the flocks from the pasture had already been brought and kept in winter quarters by the shepherds. This tells us the shepherds were no longer in the fields at night. Another peice of evidence is overlooked is in Luke 1:35-36; it tells us John the Baptist was born to Mary's cousin Elizabeth six months before Jesus. And as we look further in verse 5-17, we see Zacharias an elderly priest burning incense on the altar and then an angel appearing to him and telling him that he and his wife would have a son to prepare Christ's Way. We know however when this announcement was made by the angel because of Zacharias was "of the course of Abijah" Please look at 1Chron.24:1-19; it tells us that King David divided these priests into 24 "courses" that served in the temple by rotation. The Course of Abijah would be the 8th of the 24 courses which usually would occur around the end of May. Pentecost came the week after the 8th course served and he had to serve all 24 courses during the three festival seasons. So Zacharias came home approximately after the first week of June; in which John the Baptist was conceived around mid-June and 9 months later would be his birth. John Baptist's birth came around mid-March while Jesus's was around mid-September. Also notice every year people claim 3 wise men seen Jesus in a stable; is this really true? The Bible nowhere states "3 wise men" or "that the wise men visited Jesus in a stable". Read for yourself: (Matt.2:11); these Magi came from the east beyond the Euphrates River which in the 1st century was called the Parthian Empire (the eastern border of the Roman Empire). Several weeks after Jesus's birth, the Magi arrived in Jerusalem, the king's palace searching for Jesus. The "star" in the east led them to take their trip to Judea. After hearing about the timing of the "star's appearance" from the Magi; King Herod ordered the slaughter of all children two years and younger(Matt.2:16). When Jesus was 40 days old: His parents presented him in the temple (Luke 2:22)(Lev.12:2-4). After the Magi came, the family fled to Egypt. {Jesus six weeks old.}

    WHEN WAS JESUS'S BIRTH?

    http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?...

    http://family.webshots.com/photo/13423934630493735...

    {Please note: I tried to get to the Tomorrow's World Magazine website to get their magazine titled: "Is Christmas Christian" but I guess the site is having problems. Sorry. I guess instead you would have to see my website in webshots above. http://family.webshots.com/album/126465277czcIUU }

    Are these holidays dangerous to people?

    http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/magazine/tw-mag.cgi?...

    How Christmas came about. Is it related to Valentine's?

    VALENTINE'S (CUPID)

    CENTURIES BEFORE CHRIST, THE PAGAN ROMANS CELEBRATED FEBRUARY 15 & THE EVENING OF FEBRUARY 14 AS AN IDOLATROUS & SENSUOUS FESTIVAL IN HONOR OF LUPERCUS, THE "HUNTER OF WOLVES". THE ROMANS CALLED THE FESTIVAL "LUPERCALIA"; CUSTOM OF EXCHANGING VALENTINES & OTHER TRADITIONS TO HONOR LUPERCUS, THE "HUNTER OF WOLVES". THE ROMANS CALLED THE FESTIVAL "LUPERCALIA"; CUSTOM OF EXCHANGING VALENTINES AND OTHER TRADITIONS IN HONOR OF LUPERCUS (THE DEIFIED HERO-HUNTER OF ROME). IT WAS ALSO BONDED ANCIENTLY WITH THE PAGAN PRACTICE OF TEENAGERS "GOING STEADY" THAT USUALLY LED TO FORNICATION. TODAY, "GOING STEADY" IS A REBIRTH OF AN OLD CUSTOM THAT CAME FROM THE TOMAN FESTIVAL LUPERCALIA THAT WAS CELEBRATED IN FEBRUARY BY DRAWING YOUNG WOMEN'S NAMES OUT OF A BOX BY MEN AS CHANCE DIRECTED.-- ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA, ARTICLE, "ST. VALENTINE'S DAY."

    WHEN CONSTANTINE MADE CHRISTIANITY THE OFFICIAL RELIGION OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE THERE WAS SOME TALK IN CHURCH CIRCLES OF DISGARDING THIS PAGAN FREE-FOR-ALL. BUT THE ROMAN CITIZENS WOULDN'T HEAR OF IT! SO IT WAS AGREED THAT THE HOLIDAY WOULD CONTINUE AS IT WAS, EXCEPT FOR THE MORE GROSLY SENSUAL OBSERVANCES. IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE REIGN OF POPE GELASIUS THAT THE HOLIDAY BECAME A "CHRISTIAN CUSTOM." AS FAR BACK AS 496, POPE GELASIUS CHANGED LUPERCALIA ON FEBRUARY 15 TO ST. VALENTINE'S ON FEBRUARY 14."--("CUSTOMS AND HOLIDAYS AROUND THE WORLD", PG.172 BY LAVINIA DOBLER)(BY HERMAN L. HOEH; THE PLAIN TRUTH;FEBRUARY 1966).

    LUPERCUS BORNE THE NAME VALENTINE AMONG THE HEATHEN ROMANS. THE GREEKS CALLED HIM "PAN"; THE SEMITES "BAAL" ACCORDING TO THE CLASSICAL DICTIONARIES". IN THE BIBLE; "BAAL" IS MENTIONED OFTEN; ANOTHER NAME FOR HIM IS CALLED "NIMROD, "THE MIGHTY HUNTER" (GENESIS 10:9). ANOTHER NAME FOR NIMROD WAS "SANCTUS" OR "SANTA", MEANING "SAINT", COMMON TITLE FOR A HERO-GOD. NIMROD KNOWN AS BAAL OR sun god OF ANCIENT PAGANS WAS BORN AT THE WINTER SOLSTICE. IN ANCIENT TIMES THE SOLSTICE OCCURED ON JANUARY 6; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/epiphany THIS WAS HIS BIRTHDAY UNTIL THE SOLSTICE CHANGED & THEN IT WAS CELEBRATED ON DECEMBER 25. "IT WAS THE CUSTOM OF ANTIQUITY FOR THE MOTHER OF A MALE CHILD TO PRESENT HERSELF FOR PURIFICATION ON THE 14TH DAY AFTER THE DAY OF BIRTH. THE 14TH DAY AFTER JAN.6--NIMROD'S ORIGINAL BIRTHDATE---TAKES US TO FEB.15, THE CELEBRATION OF WHICH BEGAN ON THE EVENING OF FEB.14--THE LUPERCALIA OR ST. VALENTINE'S DAY." --(HERMAN L. HOEH) NIMROD'S OTHER NAME WAS "CUPID" WHICH MEANS "DESIRE"---ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA", ART., "CUPID".

    Encyclopedia Americana, article, "St. Valentine's Day."

    Encyclopedia Britannica, art., "cupid."

    http://family.webshots.com/photo/13397600870493735...

    http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/valentin.html

    http://home.swbell.net/kelkay/valentines

    http://home.sprynet.com/~pabco/stvalen.htm

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    EXODUS 20:3 = "Thou shalt not have other gods before me." It tells us in verse 5 = "not to bow to them nor serve them".

    Here are the texts of gods that should not be worshipped:

    EXOD.20:23; 32:3,4,8-10,19-23,30

    DEUT.4:19,28-31; 11:26-28; 17:3

    JER.10

    EZEK.8:13-18

    DAN. 3:1-18 (tried to make Daniel's friends to bow to the image, but they didn't)

    New Testament Texts:

    GAL.4:8-10 (pagan feasts are: New Year's, Valentine's-Cupid, Patrick's Day, Easter-Ishtar, Halloween, Christmas, Sunday-sun{from sunset Sat. to sunset Sunday = GEN.1:5), Monday-moon-{worship after sunset Sunday which would be Sunday evening(Sun.even to Mon.even)= considered to be Monday according to GEN.1:8}. Birthdays come from pagan origin too. = (only 2 birthdays are mentioned in Bible; they are: Pharoah and King Herod)

    You can find most of things in sources like encyclopedias, history, etc. that tell you it's pagan or that it comes from pagan origin.

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    Look at these websites:

    MITHRAS (goddess of light)

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie...

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2C...

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2C...

    HORUS (sun god)

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2C...

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie...

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=PCTA%2C...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie...

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie...

    Saturnalia (Mid-December; another name for Nimrod or Tammuz)

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=saturnalia+christ...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuoKAwIhFuo...

    http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&oe=ISO-8859-1&c...

    http://www.google.com/custom?q=saturnlia&hl=en&lr=...

    http://www.google.com/intl/en/logos/Logo_50wht.gif...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geusU_wohF.Q...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=saturnalia+god&rs...

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p... http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geutnRwYhFJh...

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    The wise men arrived after Jesus was born. Jesus was probably a couple of years old when they arrived.

    The reason that people think that it was Christmas Eve, was because of the Julian Calendar. Christ was actually born somewhere around the summer or fall, since the shepherds were out in the field tending their sheep. If it was Christmas, it would have been bitter cold outside.

  • 1 decade ago

    Jesus wasn't lying in the manger when the wise men came. I doesn't even say there were three of them. Three gifts, yes, but there could have been 2 or maybe even 10 wise men. In Matthew it says they saw the young Child in a house not in a manger. He could have been up to two years old since Herod ordered all male children in that area be killed when he found that the wise men did not return with information about the coming King. Apparently Herod was a little worried about his own position and didn't want some kid taking his place.

  • Tzadiq
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    Some time after his birth. Herod killed all the male children 2 years and younger after their visit so that would indicate he could have been close to two years old. When the did visit him they went to the house for a visit. Messiah was born nowhere near Christmas Eve to begin with.

    EDS - Today (Saturday) is the Lords Day if you believe what Yahshua said. Mt 12:8 - For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

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  • 1 decade ago

    It was after His birth, but probably before He had His 2nd birthday. The bible says that the wise men visited Joseph, Mary, and Jesus in their home, not at the manger. We also know that Herod had all of the male children up to 2 years old killed to prevent this King of the Jews from taking over his throne.

    Finally, there may not have been exactly 3 wise men. We're not told the number of men who came to visit Jesus, but 3 categories of gifts are mentioned.

  • 1 decade ago

    About 2 years or less after the birth because Herod ordered the death of all Hebrew male children under 2 AFTER the visit of the wisemen-maggi.

    It is cute to put the Wise Men in the Creche that is why.

  • Eds
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    Tina,

    Nobody with any good sense believes it was Christmas Eve. Christ was not born on December 25th. They came after HIS BIRTH by following the StAr. Have a great evening and a wionderful LORD's DAY worshipping HIS FATHER and Ours.

    Thanks,

    Eds

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Who ever said that there were three? There were three gifts but there could have been more or less than three. Ok it really doesn't matter.. there visited the Christ Child sometime during His first 2 years of life. I believe it is part of the Christmas story out of Church tradition. I don't think that makes much difference either.... Jim

  • 1 decade ago

    It makes for a good Manger scene to have the Wise men and the Shepherds together,but the shepherds were at the manger and saw the "Babe wrapped in swaddling clothes". The Wisemen came to a house to see the Child .Herod figured he was about two years old so he had all the males two and under slain.

    If you've ever seen 'Mr. Bean' at Herod's Dept. store,he even includes dinosaurs,marching bands and a helicopter.Very funny!

  • 1 Matthew 2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

    2 and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

    3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.

    4 When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born.

    5 "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

    6 "'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.'"

    7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared.

    8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him."

    9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was.

    10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed.

    11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh.

    12 And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

  • Esther
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    The bible indicates that they visited Jesus "in the house". So it's generally thought it was not on the night of His birth.

    I think, for instance in nativity scenes, etc., a bit of poetic license was used, to make it a more interesting setting!

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