• Jehovah's Witnesses. Which of your beliefs will need to be further "clarified"?

    I have asked this question before. Last time all the JWs that answered said that now they have the truth and nothing will need to be changed. Since then - - generation has been changed to mean overlappers. - the appointment over all Jesus belongings has been moved from 1919 to a future event. - the faithful and discreet slave is no longer... show more
    I have asked this question before. Last time all the JWs that answered said that now they have the truth and nothing will need to be changed. Since then - - generation has been changed to mean overlappers. - the appointment over all Jesus belongings has been moved from 1919 to a future event. - the faithful and discreet slave is no longer understood to be all anointed but only the governing body when they meet. - Gog of Magog has been changed from Satan to a coalition of nations. There are too many to list. Here are just the ones the Watchtower will admit to - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200... So of course, some of these were so obviously false they had to be changed. Yet when people such as myself pointed this out all JWs argued me and labelled me opposer etc. Yet no JW could pick out any belief that would need to be further clarified. Now there are some obvious beliefs that will need to be changed in the future sine they are ridiculously in error. And I will point these out and JWs will argue until they're changed, then act as if it was what they believed all along. But can any JW pinpoint any beliefs that will need to be further clarified?
    3 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 2 weeks ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. Why is your Governing Body member lying to the world on this video?

    David Splane says that Fred Franz, baptized in 1913, "as one of the Lord's appointed in 1914 he saw the sign and he understood what the sign meant." We can prove from Watchtower publications that in 1914 no one in the Watchtower organization saw any sign in 1914 and understood what it meant. In 1914 all Watchtower publications and... show more
    David Splane says that Fred Franz, baptized in 1913, "as one of the Lord's appointed in 1914 he saw the sign and he understood what the sign meant." We can prove from Watchtower publications that in 1914 no one in the Watchtower organization saw any sign in 1914 and understood what it meant. In 1914 all Watchtower publications and followers were proclaiming that Jesus presence dated from 1874. David Splane is not telling the truth here. Surely lies make Jehovah sad. Why can't they be faithful and discreet? And let's not even go there about the whole overlapping generation being another lie to prop up a failing doctrinal lie. Honestly, how can you trust these people? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejO0Z8m2...
    9 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 3 weeks ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. How many generations have there been since 1914?

    The generation that saw 1914 was called the Interbellum Generation. The World War 2 generation was called the Greatest Generation. Next was the Silent Generation. Then we have the Baby Boomers. After them came Generation X. Then was Generation Y, also known as Generation Next or Millennials. Or are these all really just one big generation... show more
    The generation that saw 1914 was called the Interbellum Generation. The World War 2 generation was called the Greatest Generation. Next was the Silent Generation. Then we have the Baby Boomers. After them came Generation X. Then was Generation Y, also known as Generation Next or Millennials. Or are these all really just one big generation known as overlappers? Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejO0Z8m2...
    1 answer · Religion & Spirituality · 3 weeks ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. How do they count the generations in Matthew 1?

    17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Wait a minute. Some of these generations overlap. Isn't there like only 4 or 5 overlapping generations there?... show more
    17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Wait a minute. Some of these generations overlap. Isn't there like only 4 or 5 overlapping generations there? Either inspired writer Matthew got it wrong, or God's Organization the Faithful and Discreet Slave got it wrong.
    8 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 3 weeks ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. How can you tell if the Governing Body errs in doctrinal matters?

    "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave... show more
    "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food." Watchtower 2017 Feb p.26 It seems as if no JW can discern if their Governing Body does err in doctrinal matters. In fact, you can point it out to them and they will argue you ... until the Governing Body get new light on the matter. Then they will argue the for the understanding, whether or not it errs again. Yet since they definitely do err, why can't a JW correctly discern the truth?
    11 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 month ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. What did Jesus mean when He said "I have declared unto them thy name"? John 17:26?

    Does it mean that Jesus rocked up to the temple and said to the Pharisees, who were experts in the Torah, and the Sadducees, who were experts in the Penteteuch, "Hey guess what guys - God's name is Jehovah"? Is that what it means? Like the Pharisees and Sadducees didn't know that?
    Does it mean that Jesus rocked up to the temple and said to the Pharisees, who were experts in the Torah, and the Sadducees, who were experts in the Penteteuch, "Hey guess what guys - God's name is Jehovah"? Is that what it means? Like the Pharisees and Sadducees didn't know that?
    11 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 month ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. Why are you called "publishers"?

    Where in the Bible is anyone called a "publisher"? Have you been duped into doing free promotion for a publishing company masquerading as a religion?
    Where in the Bible is anyone called a "publisher"? Have you been duped into doing free promotion for a publishing company masquerading as a religion?
    14 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 month ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. What was it like when Jesus appointed your leaders to be the "faithful and discreet slave"?

    Did a voice from heaven declare "This is my organization. Listen to them or be annihilated at Armageddon in 1975"? What was it actually like to be at Watchtower headquarters when Jehovah announced the selection of his "faithful and discreet slave" as his sole source of truth to mankind? Because your publications of the time in... show more
    Did a voice from heaven declare "This is my organization. Listen to them or be annihilated at Armageddon in 1975"? What was it actually like to be at Watchtower headquarters when Jehovah announced the selection of his "faithful and discreet slave" as his sole source of truth to mankind? Because your publications of the time in 1919 when this was supposed to have happened seem not to notice this significant event occurring. Almost as if they were not aware of it at the time. That's really weird how they didn't seem to know right away at the time they were appointed to such an important position over all Jesus belongings. It almost seems as if they were teaching a completely different story about this whole selection thing. Please tell me what it was actually like. It must have been a legendary day to be involved with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
    7 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 2 months ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. Why should we believe in a 2nd fulfillment of Daniel 4 that points to 1914?

    Daniel specifically gives the interpretation for the dream so there is no need to invent another one. Nebuchadnezzar would act as a beast for 7 years. No second fulfillment specified. No reference to gentile times. No reference to end times. No reference to Israel. No reference to the destruction of the kingdom of Judah. No reference to the false... show more
    Daniel specifically gives the interpretation for the dream so there is no need to invent another one. Nebuchadnezzar would act as a beast for 7 years. No second fulfillment specified. No reference to gentile times. No reference to end times. No reference to Israel. No reference to the destruction of the kingdom of Judah. No reference to the false date of 607. No reference to 1914, an invisible paraousia, heavenly rulership, an appointment of a faithful and discreet slave or any other rubbish. It seems this interpretation is wrong on every front. Why not just listen to Daniel and not add to the scriptures?
    9 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 8 months ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. How come Bible prophecy matches history but Watchtower chronology doesn't?

    Jerusalem didn't fall in 607BC. So there was no invisible parousia beginning in 1914. So there was no setting up of "God's Kingdom" in 1914. So there was no appointment of a "faithful and discreet slave" in 1918-19. So all the "preaching" work done in the Watchtower name is all lies. Proof - Jews return in... show more
    Jerusalem didn't fall in 607BC. So there was no invisible parousia beginning in 1914. So there was no setting up of "God's Kingdom" in 1914. So there was no appointment of a "faithful and discreet slave" in 1918-19. So all the "preaching" work done in the Watchtower name is all lies. Proof - Jews return in 537BC. Opposite of return is not destruction or desolation, it is leaving. Counting back 70 years from here gives the date of leaving, not the date of destruction. These are 2 different things. Jeremiah said they would serve the King of Babylon 70 years. Babylon has fallen when Daniel prays for the desolation to end. Temple rebuilt in 516BC. End of the 70 years desolation. Babylon fell in 539BC. Agreed by the Watchtower and history. Nabonidus reigned 17 years, so his reign began 556BC. Labashi-Marduk 1 year. 557BC. Neriglissar 4 years. 561BC. Evil-Merodach 2 years. 563BC. Nebuchadnezzar 43 years. 606BC. Jerusalem fell in the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar. 587 - 586BC. 2 Kings 25:8-9. Bible prophecy matches history and this should give you great confidence that the rest of the prophecies will come to pass. However the Watchtower chronology doesn't match history. They have not rightly divided the word of god and so teach all JWs to argue with history. Yet reconciling the Bible with history is possible. Why don't JWs want to do it? Yes this is a reup since it appears JWs are a bit sensitive about their inability to match the Bible with history.
    12 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 9 months ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. How should a Christian respond to "a different gospel"?

    1 Cor 1:17-18,23-24 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God...but we preach CHRIST CRUCIFIED: a stumbling block to Jews... show more
    1 Cor 1:17-18,23-24 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God...but we preach CHRIST CRUCIFIED: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. "Let the honest-hearted person compare the kind of preaching of the gospel done by the religious systems of Christendom during all the centuries with that done by Jehovah's Witnesses since the end of World War I in 1918. They are not one and the same kind. That of Jehovah's Witnesses is really "gospel" or "good news," as of God's heavenly kingdom that was established by the enthronement of his Son Jesus Christ at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914." Watchtower, May 1, 1981, p. 17 Gal 1:8-9 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed.
    Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. To whom will every knee bow?

    I will provide every scripture on the matter. Can you look at the scriptures and accurately report on who the scriptures say every knee will bow to. Isaiah 45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. Romans 14:11 It is... show more
    I will provide every scripture on the matter. Can you look at the scriptures and accurately report on who the scriptures say every knee will bow to. Isaiah 45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear. Romans 14:11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’” Philippians 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, Pretend this is a Watchtower magazine. The questions are posted at the end of the article and the answers are in the article. Check out the article then report back on what it says. You can do this with a Watchtower magazine, how about with the Bible? Can you demonstrate honest truthful answers that completely align with the word of God, as any Christian can?
    4 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. What should I do if the Bible contradicts my theology?

    Should I alter the Bible to conform to my theology? Should I just use verses that support my theology, and argue all the others. Should I publish "reasonings" to convince people that I'm actually right? Should I tell people that God himself gave me the right interpretation, so you have to listen to me or be annihilated at... show more
    Should I alter the Bible to conform to my theology? Should I just use verses that support my theology, and argue all the others. Should I publish "reasonings" to convince people that I'm actually right? Should I tell people that God himself gave me the right interpretation, so you have to listen to me or be annihilated at Armageddon? Or should I alter my theology to conform to the Bible?
    8 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. Besides Jesus, who are the other foremost princes?

    Daniel 10:13 But the princes of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Michael, one of the foremost princes, came to help me.
    Daniel 10:13 But the princes of the royal realm of Persia was standing in opposition to me for twenty-one days, and, look! Michael, one of the foremost princes, came to help me.
    9 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. According to scripture, who is identified as "mighty god"?

    Genesis 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) Deuteronomy 7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the Lord thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible. 1 Samuel 4:8 Woe unto us! who shall deliver us out... show more
    Genesis 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) Deuteronomy 7:21 Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the Lord thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible. 1 Samuel 4:8 Woe unto us! who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods? these are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness. Psalm 50:1 The mighty God, even the Lord, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. Psalm 132:2 How he sware unto the Lord, and vowed unto the mighty God of Jacob Psalm 132:5 Until I find out a place for the Lord, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God. Jeremiah 32:18 Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the Lord of hosts, is his name, Habakkuk 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O Lord my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O Lord, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.
    8 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • How many Jehovah's Witnesses have performed the magick ritual of "Opening by Watchtower"?

    Do your Governing body members perform it on your behalf? Calling on the guardians of the watchtowers summons the most powerful entities of the astral plane to add a force and momentum to your rituals that cannot be found elsewhere. You face each of the cardinal directions to perform the ritual. first you face east and call out “Guardians of the... show more
    Do your Governing body members perform it on your behalf? Calling on the guardians of the watchtowers summons the most powerful entities of the astral plane to add a force and momentum to your rituals that cannot be found elsewhere. You face each of the cardinal directions to perform the ritual. first you face east and call out “Guardians of the Watchtowers of the east, come forth and arise, to protect and empower this Sacred Circle.”, and so on for each direction. each direction has it's own element, angel and demon. for instance, the element for south is fire, the angel is michael and the demon is satan. performing this ritual can speed you on your way to becoming a living god. notice how watchtower magazines equate working for jehovah as synonymous with working for the governing body? rejecting governing body teachings is the same as rejecting jehovah. in fact, you cannot differentiate between the governing body and jehovah. a direction from the governing body is to be accepted as a direction from jehovah himself. how did this happen? have they become living gods by performing this magick ritual? https://www.becomealivinggod.com/newslet...
    9 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. Was Jesus Michael when he inspected all religions?

    Why then would he appoint as faithful and discreet slave an organisation preaching that Michael the Archangel was the Pope? If Jesus is Michael, was he aware of it? Did he willingly approve a lie? Or was Jesus fooled by a publication? Since the appointment of the fds was based on the Watchtower being the only ones providing correct spiritual... show more
    Why then would he appoint as faithful and discreet slave an organisation preaching that Michael the Archangel was the Pope? If Jesus is Michael, was he aware of it? Did he willingly approve a lie? Or was Jesus fooled by a publication? Since the appointment of the fds was based on the Watchtower being the only ones providing correct spiritual sustenance of meat in due season, are you trying to tell me that this food is proper and true? Mike is the Pope? Or, if Mike is Jesus, then are your current teachings untrue? Including the fds claim? pages 188, 189 ......“ 12:7. And there was war in heaven.- Between the two ecclesiastical powers, Pagan Rome and Papal Rome. Michael. - "Who as God," the Pope.- B275; C62. And his angels. - The Bishops. The following is the reply given in the Catholic catechism to the question, "Who are the successors of the Apostles?" Ans. "The bishops who are rightly consecrated, and are in communion with the head of the Church, the Pope." (Fought against) TO WAR WITH the dragon. - Attempted to get the temporal power away from the civil rulers. - Rev. 2:12. And the dragon. - Imperial Rome. - B288; Rev. 12:3; 20:2. Fought and his angels. - Did everything possible to circumscribe the growing power of the papacy, but all in vain. - Rev. 2:12.” Sources : The Finished Mystery, 1917, the most up to date publication at the time of this "inspection". https://archive.org/details/TheFinishedM...
    10 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. Why does the Watchtower give you Satanic mind injections that inflates your imagination until it bursts asunder?

    "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." (1918 Ed. — Millions Now Living Will Never Die) "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the... show more
    "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." (1918 Ed. — Millions Now Living Will Never Die) "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914." (1922 — Watchtower, Sept. 1922) "There will be no slip-up... Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925." (1917 — Watchtower, Oct. 1917) "...we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected." (1920 Ed. — Millions Now Living Will Never Die) "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." (1923 — Watchtower, Apr. 1923) "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his due time God will accomplish his purpose concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year." (1925 — Watchtower, Jan. 1925)
    5 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. Are these attributes of an "active force"?

    The Holy Spirit: a. He is spoken of as He and Whom by Jesus (John 14:16,17,26, 15:26, 16:7,8,13-15). b. Has a name (Matt 28:19). c. Is a revealer of future events (Acts 1:16). d. Is an inspirer of prophecy (Heb 3:7). e. Bears witness to us through Old Testament prophecy (Heb 10:15). f. Is God (Acts 5:3,4). g. Descended in bodily form... show more
    The Holy Spirit: a. He is spoken of as He and Whom by Jesus (John 14:16,17,26, 15:26, 16:7,8,13-15). b. Has a name (Matt 28:19). c. Is a revealer of future events (Acts 1:16). d. Is an inspirer of prophecy (Heb 3:7). e. Bears witness to us through Old Testament prophecy (Heb 10:15). f. Is God (Acts 5:3,4). g. Descended in bodily form as a dove (Matt 3:16). h. He is sent by the Father in Jesus' name (John 14:26). i. He is sent by Jesus (John 15:26). j. Is a sender of persons (Acts 10:19,20). k. Appoints overseers (Acts 20:28). l. Is a decider of decrees (Acts 15:28). m. He convicts the world (John 16:8). n. The world does not behold Him or know Him (John 14:17). o. Can be grieved (Eph 4:30). p. Can be spoken against (Matt 12:32). q. Can be put to the test (Acts 5:9). r. Can be blasphemed against (Mark 3:29). s. Can be lied to (Acts 5:3). t. Can forbid one to speak (Acts 16:6). u. Gives testimony to persons (Acts 20:23). v. Bears witness with a Christian's spirit that he is a child of God (Rom 8:16). w. Intercedes in prayer for Christians (Rom 8:26). x. Distributes gifts to Christians (1 Cor 12:11). y. Speaks in Christians for their defense (Matt 10:20). z. He is a counselor (John 14:16). aa. He teaches a Christian all things (John 14:26). ab. He brings to a Christian's remembrance all that Jesus said (John 16:13).
    2 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago
  • Jehovah's Witnesses. How would you identify "food at the proper time"?

    "When Christ inspected’ the faithful and discreet slave’ in 1918, he found those anointed ones on earth (Joseph Rutherford and his associates) to be faithful in providing spiritual ‘food at the proper time.’ Hence, Jesus was pleased thereafter to appoint them ‘over all his belongings.’ (Read Matthew 24:45-47)" January 15, 2008 Watchtower... show more
    "When Christ inspected’ the faithful and discreet slave’ in 1918, he found those anointed ones on earth (Joseph Rutherford and his associates) to be faithful in providing spiritual ‘food at the proper time.’ Hence, Jesus was pleased thereafter to appoint them ‘over all his belongings.’ (Read Matthew 24:45-47)" January 15, 2008 Watchtower p 24 "The serving of food, the right sort of food, at the proper time was the issue. It had to be according to this that a decision must be rendered by the returned master...Down to 1919 C.E. they had endeavored to give food at the proper time' to the household of faith' or the domestics' of the heavenly Master...but the quality of the food itself was to be considered. In this respect the body of hated, persecuted Christians, who always sought to be faithful slaves of Jesus Christ, met the test." God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years p. 350 Well these certainly are grand claims about what you were preaching in 1918 -19. Can any one of you substantiate these claims by showing me this "food"? When I look I find all sorts of weird teachings like leviathan being a steam locomotive and the Archangel Michael being the Pope in Rome. So one JW tells me I have mistaken interpretations of prophecy for "food". So then which part is the "food" and which part are the mistakes? How do you differentiate the two? https://archive.org/details/TheFinishedM...
    3 answers · Religion & Spirituality · 1 year ago