What's the 'wrongest' thing with this Soul Doctor link?

Question

http://www.zeusinfoservice.com/TruthAbou…

this a link that soul Doctor posted to a site arguing the merits of homeopathy. The arguments are so bad that I thought we could have some fun pointing out the 'best' ways in which it so bad.

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LillyB: you have no Idea what I'm qualified to judge. I can see an illogical argument when I see one.

How about when he says that it IS NOT just water and talks about the shaking process but fails to mention anything that's been added to it. To me that makes it..... just water.

Actually the most annoying point is about the META-analysis. using a meta analysis without back up from a large clinical trial is pretty much just admitting you don't have any thing to prove your point. but it sounds good because people dont really understand the process of meta-analysis and how open it is to interpretation and abuse

ah yes. I left out the word 'is' in a line of my question and joking used the word 'wrongest' which I think I made up so that ungoods every point I've made

Great answer Pinky!!!!! I should just give you best answer now. Or perhaps you should grow up and let go of your childish fantasy that water cures everything and anything.

What an intelligent logical answer. Oh and if some chemist in the Guardian ( a self professed expert " I wrote the best paper in the world ever") then it must mean the laws of physics are TOTALLY wrong. because for homeopathy to work, that is what you would require.

FUKKEN UBER death party: get laid? well that must mean that everyone who uses an internet forum doesn't have sex? I had sex this morning. just FYI

how can you bruise my ego with what you said. you contributed nothing to the debate. you said, get a life. wow I'm so hurt. loser.

TO ANGRYDOC.... so, do you have sex with that helmet on or what

super double loser. mehh!!

Answer 1

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The whole lot.

LillyB, with all respect, the whole hypothesis defies everything we know and believe about chemistry and Physics.

The article is a mediocre attempt at convincing the reader that homoeopathy does work but it offers NO plausible Scientific explanation about how it is possible for Homoeopathic preparations to do this when it is essentially just water!

LillyB and a guy named Pinky you sit there and attempt to tell us that we look like fools but you STILL can't credibly explain how it is scientifically possible for homoeopathy to work. If you really think that, "it is a well thought out piece and well written whereas your question is not." Then I rest my case, I don't need to discredit your claims, you do that nicely all by yourself.

Homoeopathic 'medicines' are prepared by serial dilution in steps of 1:10 or 1:100. A common dilution is 6c, which is a 10-12 dilution of the original mother tincture. Hence it is likely that a 6c dilution will contain barely any molecules of the initial substance, but much higher dilutions, such as the 30c (10-60 which is often sold) is unlikely to contain even a single molecule.

As I am in the UK, I'll comment on number 6!

We have closed many of the homoeopathic clinics in the UK and funding has been decreased. The one in Tunbridge-wells closed very recently, why? Simply because the government have listened to Scientists and Doctors who have been campaigning to have these clinics closed for years. Why? Because money is better spent on conventional therapy that has been PROVEN to work in clinical trials.

Regarding the small scale clinical trials that the Homoeoquacks claim supports the idea that it does work; These trials were very small scale, of poor quality and conducted by homoeoquacks themselves!

The vast majority of meta-analyses of homoeopathy are inconclusive.

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To the lady below: YES it does hurt people. Homoeopathy (or any alt.'therapy' ) cannot be considered safe if it means that people abandon functional conventional therapy (which is proven to work) and instead use voodoo which will ultimately leave them medically untreated.

And it doesn't end there. The sCAM crew try and convince other people to abandon conventional therapy. Have you seen some of the postings in the section regarding vaccines? "It's mass murder!!!!" and "the government are trying to kill us!!" All sorts of conspiracy uncorroborated clap trap like that. Vulnerable people will be taken in by their nonsense.

These people are deluded and paranoid, both in equal measure.

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Registered Nurse

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got to keep reminding people of the dangers of AltMed

never be afraid to answer the question, "what's th harm"

Answer 2

The response to Myth No. 7 (Fact No. 7 as I prefer to call it) is probably the most annoying thing.

It demonstrates what we all know - that quacks have no idea about regression to the mean, about observer bias or about how/why clinical trials should be blinded, randomised and controlled.

And it puts the lives of animals at risk. Very sad if someone loses their pet cat because of what these homeopathic idiots tell them.

LillyB: how could anyone, POSSIBLY, read that link and consider it "well thought out"? It has clearly been written by someone without even basic training in, or understanding of, anatomy, chemistry, pathology or statistics. It's embarrassingly bad.

Answer 3

You are not qualified to judge - it is a well thought out piece and well written whereas your question is not. Do not denigrate that which you do not understand for it is a path which leads to even greater ignorance.

Answer 4

First try to take that foot outta your mouth please.
You meant this link http://www.zeusinfoservice.com/TruthAbou…
Or this one
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/…

I will tell you whats wrong with the link, it makes you and other Critics and Skeptics of homeopathy look like fools with their foot in your mouth. That's whats wrong with it, or haven't you reckoned that by now. LOL
I mean whats wrong with you are you a 12 year old kid or what mate ?GROW UP.

Answer 5

EVERYTHING!!

Pinky and LillyB, go back to school and study your basic chemistry and physics and biology. Goodness, if you really learned something there you would not think that homeopathy is even plausible.

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Fukken, it matters because we skeptics don't like seeing people get scammed by a false treatment method. They lose money and might even get hurt if they follow the advice of the homeoquacks. As for all your suggestions, I do that all, thank you very much.

Answer 6

It's hard to say whether #8 or #9 is the worst. I love how the moron that wrote that drivel thinks that simply by saying "Avogadro's Number" everything in the paragraph becomes scientific. Avogadro's # is 6.022x10^23 anyway, which isn't close to the two numbers mentioned. #9 is a great demonstration of the biggest wish of all Alt Med scammers. They WISH anecdotes were evidence and they WISH that real medicine was only based on anecdotes. The truth is readily available to all who care to know it.

Answer 7

1: "giving a minute, highly potentised dose"

So then, they're claiming that their preparations contain something other than water?

#2: "All homeopathic medicines are made by a process of dilution and SUCCUSSION"

Err, so it's actually a mixture of water AND shaking? Not a minute dose as was first said?

#8: "Any remedy under a 12c or a 24x potency still contains the original molecules of the substance...."

Though most preparations are around 60x, which doesn't contain any of the original substance, so they ARE actually just water? (and a bit of shaking too!)

My favourite though?

"Strong anecdotal evidence among informed professionals is actually quite reliable - at least as reliable as clinical testing."

Which in one fell swoop would invalidate any kind of science that has ever been practised.

It would also prove that the world is flat!

Answer 8

Why does it really matter?
Allow people to believe in what they want, and if they want to go around thinking water cures all, let them
Does it hurt you? NO!

You're wasting your time on irrelevance.
Pick up a book, talk a walk...
or maybe even get laid

Oh, and please edit your details with some "witty" response because your ego is bruised.

evidently, I did bruise your ego, considering you responded to me twice. I did enjoy the "loser" remark, however. VERY creative. haha